RE: [cdn-nucl-l] More wind than science in turbine debate

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Andrew

I agree with your sentiments.

For someone who hankers on about coal, and who wants scientific discussion, then where did Satnik get the “9,000 deaths per year from coal”? Amongst other things, I contest his comment that “in Ontario ... almost 30% of the time, it’s coal” that produces our electricity. I don’t know what he means – that 30% of the time we have coal plants running at some capacity (even zero power hot)? Or does he mean that 30% of our electricity comes from coal? I expect the latter

From NRCan and the IESO, the coal generation in Ont has declined significantly as a fraction of our total production (e.g., MWh coal / MWh total), and it was not “almost 30%” in any year for which I have numbers:

1986: 20.72%

1987: 24.54%

1988: 24.54% (yes, same as 1987)

1989: 24.05%

1990: missing data

1991: 20.81%

1992: 19.83%

1993: 12.80%

1994: 10.02% (max nuclear production year)

1995: 11.04%

1996: 13.16%

1997: 16.49%

1999: 25.05%

2000: missing data

2001: missing data

May – Dec 2002 24.26%

2003 24.8% (Pickering 4 and Bruce 4 returned to service in last 4 months of year)

2004 17.5% (Bruce 3 returned to service)

2005 19.3% (Pickering 1 returned to service)

2006 16%

2007 18%

2008 14.5%

2009 6.6%

2010 8.3%

In the last few years, nat gas plants have come on line (6.4% total production in 2006, 13.6% in 2010), making it easier to reduce coal use further.

Morgan Brown, P.Eng., FCNS

The above letter contains my personal opinions alone, but the data is genuine.

From: cdn-nucl-l-admin@mailman1.CIS.McMaster.CA [mailto:cdn-nucl-l-admin@mailman1.CIS.McMaster.CA] On Behalf Of Andrew Daley
Sent: March 10, 2011 6:32 PM
To: Nuclear
Subject: [cdn-nucl-l] More wind than science in turbine debate

I cringed when I read this.

Way to commit the same sin you are accusing others of!

I don't know whether to write a reply or report him to the PEO... after all, a fellow engineer is for all intents and purposes accusing me of breaching the code of ethics... that's a pretty serious allegation wouldn't you say??

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/951453--more-wind-than-science-in-turbine-debate

<<If we’re going to stop wind development until more research can be done, then we should first stop nuclear until we know more about the health risks from shipping radioactive waste up the St. Lawrence seaway. We know nukes are dangerous. We have no hard evidence anywhere that wind actually causes health problems, and 30-plus years of research that shows otherwise.>>

<<Derek Satnik, an electrical engineer, is managing director at OntarioGreenSpec.ca and chief innovation officer at Mindscape Innovations Group Inc>>

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