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Re: [cdn-nucl-l] Antw: RE: [MbrExchange] "Germany... gambles on amped-up push for renewable power"
One more thought - existing generators will definitely benefit if new generation is limited. People that need power will bid up the price resulting in increased profits. Business people understand that the law of supply and demand is not a passive law, it is often beneficial to work to swing the balance in their favor.
In a message dated 12/27/04 4:40:38 PM, email@example.com writes:
Good point Rod. New fossil plants use less fuel than old fossil plants. If you don't have to have new plants for increased generation, then the fuel supplier wins if the only new plants are renewables. This also supports some generators because increased reliance on renewables increases the amount of peaking power required when renewables aren't producing (~30-40% of the time for bio & geo, 75% for wind, and 90% for solar-electric). Peaking power is more valuable than baseload.
At 10:24 AM 12/26/2004 -0500, AtomicRod@aol.com wrote:
If the government does not force the closure of old fossil plants, that means that the fuel companies supplying those plants continue to increase their sales as the plants run more and more and become less efficient as they age.
The vast majority of the income associated with supplying power from fossil plants goes to the fuel supplier, not the power generator.
I am not trying to argue, just to point out that there are people that benefit economically from your government's seemingly suicidal policies. My premise is that the people that benefit have something to do with supporting those policies.
Of course, additional support for the Greens might be coming from your neighbors that like the idea of selling electricity to Germany - it is a huge market with the potential for significant growth and profit.
In a message dated 12/23/04 12:48:37 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org writes:
They are opposite to nuclear power, support regenerative energy and prevent new fossil fueled plant projects ! Where is the sense ?? We shut down all NPPs, that are round about 20.000 MWe, and the government doesn't approve new fossil fired plants. How will we produce enough energy in the next two decades? We'll be dependent from France or Czech Republic. This can't be our aim !!
As an employee in the nuclear industry I`m quite frustrated.
Neckar 1 Nuclear Power Station (GKN)
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To: Marco.Mueller@GKN.DE ; email@example.com ; firstname.lastname@example.org
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [cdn-nucl-l] Antw: RE: [MbrExchange] "Germany... gambles on amped-up push for renewable power"
is it possible that the greens know exactly what they are doing but they work hard to hide their real goals?
In other words, view their actions and statements through a different lens. Assume that they are really in favor of burning fossil fuels - especially coal - and then see if their actions make more sense to you. Their opposition to nuclear power has definitely resulted in increased sales and profits for the very industry that creates the most emissions - maybe they like it that way.
In a message dated 12/22/04 9:12:39 AM, Marco.Mueller@GKN.DE writes:
Sorry for my late reply, I had some days off.
That is correct. Now you know how it feels to live under a red-green government. Furthermore we need a lot of back up power for windmills. In my opinion the German public doesn't realized the new law yet. With the huge amount of fossil back up power we can never meet the Kyoto goals, which are favourited by the greens by the way. But this fact is ignored by the red-green coalition. As you certainly know, is our government planning to phase-out nuclear power and replace it with regenerative energy sources. So they force the energy companies to buy the "clean energy".
In fact, this is economic suicide !!!!
No it's not amazing, Jaro, it's cruel !!!!!!